http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXLTQi7vVsI&feature=player_detailpage
View the fallacy link and post your opinions to our blog. How are you more aware of the fallacious statements made around you? Also post two examples of fallacies that you found. No two may be alike. Post the fallacy, name it, and describe why. DUE 5/11
I am more aware of the fallacious statements around me because I have had learned the basics of a small portion of the fallacies, and I now notice that more often than not people use them to make a point mostly without realizing that what they have just said was fallacious.
ReplyDeleteI have found that in many debates the "begging the question" fallacy is used alot, such as "murder is wrong, so abortion is wrong". this usually means that either a person doesnt know alot about what they are trying to prove or they are trying to connect two ends of different strings.
Another fallacy that i find frequently in commercials is "non-sequitur". This is used generally in lotion, deotorent or shampoo commercials, such as in the axe commercials where they domonstrated that if u wore axe then the girls would be all over you like white on rice.
After learning about fallacies in class and then watching the link Mrs. Allardice posted, I've started becoming more aware of fallacies all around us. They seem deeply entrenched in our way of thinking. The post illustrated how in our society we use fallacies for both humor and harming others. I haven't been able to watch T.V. for the last few days without catching fallacies and trying to figure out which fallacy I just heard.
ReplyDeleteHere is the first fallacy (well, really fallacies) that I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8
In the commercial, Mike Huckabee makes several fallacies which fall under 'begging the question'. While it's humorous to claim that when Chuck Norris does push-ups, he's really pushing the Earth down, you really should provide some proof for such a claim.
For my second fallacy, I found another political ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WB_PXjTBo
Towards the end of the video, Michael J. Fox claims that 'what you do in Missouri, matters to millions of Americans'. This is hasty generalization. There is no evidence that people around America care whether or not Missouri passes laws in favor of stem cell research.
The video above was interesting, to say the least. It goes through and states the fallacious statements made around us and pin points each argument with the corresponding fallacy. Since recently learning these things in class, I haven't been able to look at things the same. I can now point a blatant finger at everything around me and question any statement that's been made. Nothing is as it seems, and this week a crash course was taken in deception.
ReplyDeleteThe first fallacy I found:
http://rafesagarin.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/redherring.jpg
This would be an example of Red Herring because the person making the argument is distracting and misleading the actual issue. War & the environment are two separate turfs. The person listening has a different plan in mind.
second:
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=fallacious+non+sequitur+ad&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1280&bih=854&tbm=isch&tbnid=6TkXFU4LOLCJlM:&imgrefurl=http://english101-martin-classwiki.wikispaces.com/Fallacy%2BProjects&docid=IZDE4BBiaYadlM&imgurl=http://english101-martin-classwiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/Fallacy.jpeg/258746352/309x250/Fallacy.jpeg&w=309&h=250&ei=XuarT9eOPOfe2AXRq-ymAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=981&vpy=428&dur=3835&hovh=200&hovw=247&tx=171&ty=168&sig=101803637349765323554&page=1&tbnh=151&tbnw=187&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:19,s:0,i:113
This would be an example of a non sequitur fallacious statement because the initial statement made and the conclusion have absolutely nothing in common. Autism is most likely not derived from a vaccine a person had previously received. This is fallacious because the statement argues that the two have something in common.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRJUvFG8gbE This fallacy is an example of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc. In this The Big Bang Theory clip Sheldon is talking to his mother on the phone after coming home from his expedition. His mother asks him if he could feel her church group praying for him. He responds, "No." That's when his mother probably states (you can't hear what she says), "If you couldn't feel them praying then how are you home safe? So it must've worked."
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Sce4-UHjg This clip from the Colbert Report shows an example of false authority. Stephen is saying that taking Saddam out feels like the right thing to do and that truth comes from your gut. He is just a famous person and has no right in his position to tell us what feels right and where the truth comes from. That and the false statement that you have more nerve endings in your stomach than your brain.
Thanks to exploring the world of fallacies, I can hardly go throughout the day now without recognizing fallacious vernacular. I enjoyed this video clip very much, it served to exemplify that we are constantly surrounded by fallaciousness, even in the most professional of circumstances.
ReplyDeleteMy first examples contains a number of fallacious slurs:
The 1984 Wendy's: "Where's the beef" commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glmhFypupaA&feature=related
Fallacies included: "It's a very big puppy"(Red herring), "At Wendy's we have more meat than the Big-Mac" Hasty generalization.
My second example: http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/articles/2009/08/reification.jpg
This is pertaining to the reification fallacy! I know we hadn't covered this in class but let me explain. Reification means: To regard or treat (an abstraction) as if it had concrete or material existence.
I think you get the point. I found it ironic that this example relates to my topic.
Keifer coggin
ReplyDeleteWell, pointing them out is easy. Able to tell which one is which, has its own challanges. Easy to tell when a person is saying one, harder to say the correct term. That being said, some are impossible such of those in dogmatism. Like the wombat party. Annoying little buggers they are. <- that in of itself is a fallacy.
Any ways, first one comes from a politcal video shot a while back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU
Now this is a hard one, I thought, but dogmatism did nicely. She states that you have to pass the bill, in order to see whats in it. Does it enslave man kind? No but it could. Heck even this review is a double fallacy of red harring and even scare tactics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ne53yP3z1c
at 0:23 steve makes a comment about haile and her college degree getting her a better section to waitress at the olive garden, then which she asks if he will hit puberty before he gets to be 14. Both are a Either/or fallacy. After that, don't have to watch, but there are many more Fallacys in this series.....A LOT more.
Once I learned about fallacies and the different kinds of them, they seemed to stick out more. I never really noticed them until we watched that video in class. It's a little hard to determine which ones they are but I can some what tell when someone is using fallacies. Like Mr. LePeau is a good example.
ReplyDeleteMy First Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=BJRQAyw2_Ls&feature=endscreen
It's of the Red Herring Fallacy. On 0:41,see on the side of the truck is this advertising for graphics but on the back of the truck its advertising beer. It's a Red Herring Fallacy because it goes from graphics to beer. They have nothing to do with each other.
My Second Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=BJRQAyw2_Ls&feature=endscreen
This one represents Hasty Generalization. ON 0:35, u see a poster for the movie Harry Potter and at the bottom it says Everything Will Change. Thats a Hasty Generalization because you just see a picture of four people, not everything is going to change. Four little people can't change everything.
Since I have learned about fallacies, I am developing a hobby of calling people out, especially people in political ads and television. I now yell at the TV whenever somebody says something fallacious. I like being able to notice little logical mishaps in everyday speech. I find the way people use fallacies kind of fascinating.
ReplyDeleteAn excellent example of non sequitur is in the movie "Rushmore," where Max and Ms. Cross are arguing, and Max yells "You hurt my feelings, this night was important to me!" Ms. Cross then asks how she hurt his feelings and he replies with "I wrote a hit play!" which really didn't have anything to do with what they were talking about, and also doesn't have anything to do with how Ms. Cross hurt his feelings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbqgSjik9NE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwVYZHTf8IQ&feature=relmfu
This one is an example of sentimental appeals. Ron Barber tries to appeal to senior citizens by trying to make them see what might happen if he doesn't get elected. He shows a sad-looking woman who is running out of medication, and plays sad music in order to make the watcher feel sorry for the poor lady.
Once I learned about fallacies, my life started to have meaning. fallacies in normal conversation, started to stick out more. It made it quiet obvious when someone didn't know what they were talking about. I also start to recognize when I use fallacies, which reveal to me when I really don't know what I'm talking about (Which is never.)
ReplyDeleteThe first example of a fallacy comes from Congressman John Hall on the Colbert Report, who uses ad hominem to attack his opponents character, stating he smokes the reefer, instead of raising any sort of legitiment argument. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ24HdCPN9E
This second example made me laugh hard. Adam Carolla has a whole series of being "slippery slope guy." In this extreme case of the slippery slope fallacy, he assumes that if we give animals rights and stop animal testing, that our children will be messed up and the government will be paying for our animal's cabbage. Quite humors http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT-iU5-czlU&feature=fvwrel
My thoughts really haven't changed all that much when I hear fallacies throughout the day. Whenever I would hear fallacies before I would just think "oh, that's stupid", the only thing that has changed is that now I think "oh, that's a fallacy" but the meaning remains the same. It's not like now I'm noticing things that are illogical more, it's just now they have there own brand name idiocies. The first fallacy I found was in a dialogue between Sir Daniel Siepker and I, Danny was telling me that I have to pursue an interest that I allegedly have and told me if I don't pursue it it would end how a similar situation did for him, he told me "you don't want to end up with secondhand chicken nuggets". That is a fallacy because just because his endeavor ended in disgusting chicken nuggets doesn't mean mine will. I believe that would be a hasty generalization because he thinks just because it happened to him it will automatically happen to me. My next example of a fallacy will be taken from the popular internet video "GINGERS DO HAVE SOULS!!". There are multiple fallacies within this video but the one I will focus on will be in which he states "I go to church, I'm a Christian", the fallacy lying in that you're not automatically a Christian if you go to church. I think this would be a false assumption because that one thing doesn't automatically lead to the other. The video in questions link (warning vulgar language):
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY39fkmqKBM&ob=av3e
No one ask me what "secondhand chicken nuggets" means, because I'm not going to explain. THANKS KYLE.
ReplyDeleteI must say I am beginning to hear fallacies everywhere I go. It is rather irritating to see how fallacious our society can be. However, sometimes they aren't as easy to pick out. Sometimes everything sounds like a fallacy, but I hope that with practice it'll get easier.
ReplyDeleteExample 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrmZriAHxhI
I know this may seem ridiculous, but here I see a strong case of Slippery Slope. He suggests that one will lose everything, including their life if they don's stay still for a red eye flash!
Example 2
One I've heard too many times to count in my life is "If look Hispanic, you must speak Spanish." This is something that happens to me all the time. It is a Hasty Generalization. Not every Hispanic speaks Spanish.
Overall I am excited to understand these and call them out as I see them!
I was relatively aware of the fallacies that people band about on a day to day basis. However, I have found that I too am a culprit of using invalid arguments to reach illogical conclusions. When I do make a fallacious argument or statement, it is mostly just to see the look on my opponents face before I walk away laughing.
ReplyDelete(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pri-46jmoxE&feature=related)
Number 8, an example of an Ad Hominun fallacy, the speaker does not address the argument but rather seeks to undermine the validity of the opponent's input. There is actually no argument given in this example, she simply states "Your mama is so fat..."
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQNbHZlRi2Q&feature=related)
This video demonstrated the bandwagon effect. If person A does not go to the party with person B then the two can not be friends anymore because if person B has friends who are going then anyone who is not going to the party is not person B's friend.
All in all, I really liked the video. Ever since I’ve learned about fallacies, that’s all I’ve thought about when I talk to people. Most of what we say in an argument is a fallacy. It’s interesting to know that people win arguments by using fallacies.
ReplyDeleteFirst example: My favorite commercial is the Axe commercial. It basically says that if you wear Axe, millions of women will be drawn to you. The type of fallacy is a faulty causality. They basically say if you wear Axe, all women will love you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9tWZB7OUSU
Second example: We all have that person in our life that always thinks they are right. Unfortunately, I have too many of ‘those’ people. A good friend of mine thinks he is always right, just because he says so. This is a dogmatism fallacy. There is no proof that my friend is right at all.
It seems as if everything we say could be considered a fallacy. Leaning about them makes me realize just how often they are used to appeal to our emotions.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOgvL5G8PPI
This would be an example of an ad hominem, or logical fallacy, because it is taking the truth (or partial truth) and twisting it into something negative. I've been hearing a lot of these lately - candidates putting down other candidates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=rrBNqtDG4G0&NR=1
This is a perfect example of a non sequitur fallacy. The transition from a bears to beets to Battlestar Galactica does not flow so well.